Endgame (SPOILERS!!!)

Kimi

Joecrak I have a headache just reading this. You explain it well, but it doesn't really make them seem like the "good guys" to be doing that....

Joecrak

Kimi I think the avengers, specifically, don't quite know the effect they will be having on some of the timelines.

They also originally planned to go in and grab the stones without messing anything up, and putting them back an instant after they took them.

They couldn't plan on 2014 nebula accessing 2023 Nebula, which brought that universes Thanos and Gamora to them. This seems, on the surface, the most depressing of the changes they make.

2012 B, is now changed due to Loki escaping with the tesseract, so its unclear how depressing that reality would be.

We might find out in the Loki tv series?

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE

Kimi Oh, the Avengers have done a lot worse in the comics. The last "Age of Ultron" story arc had Wolverine and the remainder of the Fantastic Four going into the past to kill Hank Pym so that Ultron is never created and doesn't take over the planet. This fractures reality so much we got Neil Gaiman heroes in the Marvel Universe now.

EricaOdd

I saw this last night, and I will say that I did not like the resolution. I understand where Tony Stark was coming from, but honestly hitting the "undo" button would have been more merciful, IMO. Some scenarios that are all too likely in "just bringing everyone back"...

A wife loses her husband (or vice-versa) to the Snap. She mourns. She moves on. Remarries... husband comes back. Now what?

Parents lose a child to the Snap. Parents end it all in overwhelming grief. Child comes back to no parents. Now what?

People overcome with the horror of the Snap get into drugs, alcohol, etc. to deal with the despair. Their lives are ruined. (This was sort of touched on with Thor, but played for comedy... this is in no way funny).

The world economy and political stability was no doubt fundamentally upended and might not recover.

Spend just a little while thinking about this, and you can come up with all kinds of nightmare scenarios for the people who survived as well as those who came back.

People across the universe, not just Earth, dealt with unimaginable trauma for five years. "Just bringing everyone back" wouldn't fix any of that.

Joecrak

EricaOdd Tony has never really been the good avenger, or the selfless one.

Let's not forget, he's the one that also committed genocide.

EricaOdd

But come to think of it I guess all those discussions about how time travel works and doesn't work means that a reset button wasn't really possible anyway. They'd just jump to a different reality. That's on the writers though, not the characters.

I'm still not happy with the resolution. Overall I liked the movie, but that one major part just sits wrong with me.

Azhrei_Vep

So, you're saying they technically achieved their victory, but left everything in a dangerous state of chaos?

You mean, the kind that is just begging for super-powered or technologically advanced individuals of dubious moral fiber to step in and take advantage of?

Ayslyn

I refuse to live in a world where anything by Neil is considered a bad thing.... ^.

Joecrak

Ayslyn "It's all about stories innit?"

EricaOdd

I also want to say that I wish that a squirrel and not a rat had kicked on Ant-Man's device and freed him from the Quantum Realm.

It would have been a cute nod to that time when Squirrel Girl beat Thanos. ?

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE

And then after all this we have to feel REAL bad about Sharon Carter.

Joecrak

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE eh? Do we? She didnt really do much, but sadly thats most women in MCU.

Still, it was always a weird relationship for me.

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE

I just feel like it was a missed story track. Cap could have picked up his flame with the niece of the woman he left in the forties, but instead he makes a different decision.

It just felt to me like they forgot about her character when writing Infinity War and End Game. By the end of Civil War he had buried Peggy and stopped looking at the compass, then we're getting the fan service in End Game that he still is carrying the torch.

Joecrak

OFTHEHILLPEOPLE the writers and directors talked about her, and basically t came down to putting any focus on their possible relationship would derail the momentum of everything else that was going on.

Plus, for me, it's super weird that he starts dating his first loves niece.

EricaOdd

Ok... so let's post the references, Easter eggs, and shout outs we noticed!

The comic book version of Ant Man's helmet is in Hank Pym's office in 1970.

In Stan Lee's cameo, the car he's driving has a 'Nuff Said bumper sticker.

Howard the Duck can be briefly seen in the big battle at the end.

Cap's "Hail Hydra" was a nod to the infamous storyline in 2017 that tried to portray Cap as a Hydra sleeper agent.

Scott Lang's van is in storage unit 616, a reference to the multiverse designation of the mainstream Marvel comics universe.

Joecrak

EricaOdd Morgan Stark is the name of Tony's rival cousin that often tries to take over Stark Industries

EricaOdd

I didn't see it, but apparently one of the names on the memorial that Scott Lang looked at was Roberto DeCosta. That is significant as that's the name of Sunspot... one of the original New Mutants.

Ayslyn

I think that they missed an opportunity with the memorial.... I was looking for Stan Lee on there, but they didn't do it.

EricfromNJ

OK, a little late to the game. I was finally able to arrange to see Endgame with my kids last night.

The time travel stuff gave me a headache knowing they were going to alternate realities, then having old Cap appear at the end of the movie seemingly violating the rules they put forth. It drove me nuts.

At the same time, I completely went fanboy with the whole assembling of forces scene leading up to the main battle.

Also, I never thought I would cry at the mentioning of cheeseburgers, but here we are.

Kimi

EricfromNJ I cry at the mention of cheeseburgers, but that's for a different reason.

Kainguru

EricfromNJ Double yeah on the time travel headache. I've survived 50yrs of Dr Who so I was left with a few big question marks on exactly how the MCU time travel works . . starting with Cap's apparent violation and the grandfather paradox - past Thanos is dead, so he never got the stones so he never ... oh never mind you get the idea. If I were given the job of explaining the paradox's I'd wave 'time stone' around as the reason the timeline doesn't implode.

Joecrak

EricfromNJ wait, if you went in knowing they were travelling to alternate realities, then why do you say they violated their own rules with old man cap?

GMRadioRob

Kainguru Not to mention Nebula killing her own past self and still surviving...